he did everything that jimmy hoffa said. he loaded companies up, good solid companies with debt and then went to bankruptcy court and took away workers penceions there's two ways to succeed. there's the way that he did it, which is the wrong way and there's the right way where we work together -- >> you are saying things, but it's -- let me get your take on what's going to happen at the end of the year. we're going to go off the fiscal cliff because these guys can't make a decision on tax rates and spending programs. everyone is expecting when these spending program goes away, defense contractors are going to have to lay off, health care workers are going to have to lay off. transportation companies are going to have to lay off. how many layoffs are you expecting at afl-cio? >> i'm hoping we don't have any layoffs because the country doesn't need more laypauc dllay. we need them to work together. mitch mcconnell said his number one priority was to get rid of barack obama. not to create pensions or health care but to get rid